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what is going on everybody
welcome to thursday night
crossfit talk on a sunday
night um we did that
originally because of the
nfl draft and I am a huge
nfl fan and wanted to
partake in that and then
all hell broke loose and
it's probably a good thing
we did it because we know
more today than we ever
would have known on
thursday night so we can
actually discuss a little
bit more as to what's going on uh tonight
So before we get into all that,
I don't know if you've
noticed at the bottom of the screen,
we have a new sponsor.
Yay.
Finally got a new sponsor this year.
It is Thick Boy.
You can see that Jamie and I
are wearing a Thick Boy shirt.
They're awesome.
They're super soft,
super comfortable shirts.
The most exciting thing is
They will be carrying
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They are doing up the screens now.
We should have something in
the next week or two as to
what will be available.
You'll be able to go to the
Thickboy website and order
shirts and tanks in the first run.
And then we'll take a poll
and see what other
merchandise you guys would
be interested in,
and we'll do that moving forward.
But it will feature the new logo.
the horse with the barbell
uh for the first run and uh
that'll be available in the
next week or so so super
stoked about that um these
shirts are super
comfortable I love I have
uh this one and a white and
blue one um they're pretty
amazing and again one of
the softest shirts I own
Yeah, they've got some hilarious ones.
They have a ladies one
that's cute but psycho.
He's got a ton of funny ones.
Mark actually goes to my gym
and he does all of our gym wear.
So I love it.
I'm biased because he's a member,
but I love it.
yeah speaking of sponsors if
anyone want to help sponsor
my trip to semifinals just
throwing it out there
started paying for my trip
and stuff and I was like
god damn this is getting
expensive yeah well
speaking of semifinals um
going to do some fun stuff
later because this has been
the whole week from the
crossfit world it is
semi-finals or
quarterfinals finished
videos were submitted um it
was sometime on wednesday I
believe penalties started
to be issued and the
leaderboards leaderboards
changed dramatically so
I was on with Tristan,
Jamie's coach on Thursday.
We talked about this and I
said on that show and I put
a reel out about it.
This is what we've been
asking for consistency, professionalism,
standard of movement.
Now everybody's going crazy
because they're implementing it.
I do agree.
They should have
communicated it at least some,
if not a whole lot better.
Um,
But it's here.
You two have not had a penalty yet.
Carolyn,
we can share with the world and I
have it pulled up here.
Let me see if I can find it again.
I was going to post a video
soon on my Instagram with all of my...
Highlights from quarterfinals,
including my box step-ups
for people to see what standing up means.
Validated all four workouts.
Yes.
Have you had any looked at, Jamie?
I've had workout two validated.
Okay.
So that's the other thing
that I'm not sure was
communicated is how far
down they are doing the video review.
I've heard rumors of 80.
Um,
and that would make sense because Jamie
was way up on workout two,
but not that far up on workout one.
So that would kind of make sense in there.
Um, have you heard anything Carolyn?
How far they're going back?
Well,
I know that everyone that is inside
the top 40,
like originally it was top 60
was going to get their videos reviewed.
And then every new person
that's kind of entering the top 40,
I'm assuming everybody was
getting looked at.
What's very interesting is the age group.
I think their deadline for
the video validation
process is later and their
semifinals is coming up.
very soon but I guess
they're probably thinking
let's validate all of the
individuals that actually
have to have travel trips
planned versus the age
groups that are staying um
online for their semi-final
so um I think that the date
for you guys a little bit
later maybe a week later
for jamie and the age group
I think our I think it said
may 1st was our deadline it
was only a few days I
thought only a few days after
I mean, our time is May 8th,
so if May 1st is the finalization,
that gives you one week to
get your crap together.
Corey has moved into... Can
you pull your mic a little bit closer?
Yeah.
Okay, cool.
Bruce is asking Corey where did he end up.
I see he has moved up to like 185.
And it's top 200 for each age group,
right?
Awesome.
Mm-hmm.
So Corey could be a semifinalist.
Yes.
Put it in the Insta profile, Corey,
in the bio.
Yeah.
So I ask you,
is this what you wanted as an
athlete to have?
And I think I know the
answer knowing the two of you,
but I want to hear from you.
Is this what you wanted?
You go first.
I mean, so yes, but I would,
I need to caveat that with
like just seeing like 600,
700 people get dinged with
no communication really
other than helping document
that shows the number of reps,
still no reasoning, still no,
like there's just no transparency.
And I think that is so wrong.
Yes, I want standards held,
but I want them held like
across the board.
And I want it clear.
I want, I want it very clear what,
what was okayed and what was not okayed.
Yeah.
Um,
I'm in agreement standards need to be
held.
Um,
some standards were not held by the
athletes.
I thought the wording was pretty clear.
Um, I think.
Where CrossFit needs to
communicate better is in the penalties.
And that part is subjective a little bit.
Like some people have,
let's say most of the reps
are good and then some bad
reps and they're still
getting the 15 or 20% penalty.
And some people,
all of their reps look bad.
that I guess,
or not no reps and they're
getting similar types of penalties.
So I guess just in that communication,
like which reps would be nice to,
to write.
And then in the past, actually,
I don't think they did that
on the scorecard of like,
what the no reps will be for penalties.
I think they did some
penalties last year in the quarterfinals.
Remember they had like a little thing.
If you false start, you have this,
this is the penalty.
If you have this, this is the penalty.
Something a little bit more
clear like that would be
nice in terms of exactly
what is the penalty for
that many or for that rule being broken.
Yeah.
We should be used to no
transparency by now as much
as we want it and need it.
Yeah, on both of those.
I have comments on both of those points.
Like, Carolyn, like,
what does a false start get you?
Five seconds.
What does... My issue is degree.
And it seems to be kind of
arbitrary this year.
Like, they wrote, like, 15 to 40%.
Like,
who even knows what you're getting
for what?
Yeah.
I personally feel like
different movements deserve,
and this gets into a super
arbitrary point.
So I understand it's
probably like nearly impossible, but.
someone not like completely
not opening their hips and
just getting up like at a
45 degree angle on the box
and going right back down
without even trying to like
put one of the other leg
barely on the box is a
completely different rep
than a slightly soft knee
where you actually like stood up.
And the degree of not
completing that rep and the
ensuing fatigue is, is impacted.
And like, I get it.
It's like, you,
how do you make those penalties?
But like a missed double
under is not the same as a
push away ring muscle up.
No rep.
Like, I'm sorry.
They're completely different,
different things.
And like,
So like not,
not getting shoulders back on
a top of a box step up is, isn't like,
isn't really where the
movement fatigue is felt.
So it's just, I don't know.
I do,
there is just degrees to the
penalties and I understand
that that's a realm that we
probably can't touch.
yeah uh it's just really
hard to see I just kind of
like look at everyone's
writing online oh like the
head can't look down the
head can look down that's
not where the issue is if
you try to extend your hips
your shoulders are not
forward they're just not
like if you finish your hip
extensions your shoulders
are in line it's not that
hard of a standard to move like to do um
Like people are like, Oh,
that movement should not be online.
It should have been a box step over maybe,
but that was the movement.
And I redid the workout
because I did not like my
original first reps.
Like I was still a little
bit over and I was like,
know that I know that the
shoulders need to be right in line.
Cause I was giving a side
angle of that movement and I was like,
I have to redo it.
So the next time I did it,
opened up the hips,
every single rep and like
the shoulders fall back.
Like I'm still looking at the box,
but my shoulders are back.
Everything is lined up.
Um, like I don't think the,
the standard is that difficult.
I think a lot of people kind
of treated it as a pistol
where like they're finishing that one leg,
especially if they're on
the corner of the box and
they're just tapping kind
of like a pistol,
like you're just done with
that one and then you're
kind of going the other
side and the block step up
is not a pistol in the
sense that you have to have both feet up,
both feet extend.
And like some people are
just finishing the one hip
and the other one's tapping
to come back down and it's
just kind of treated as a
pistol and it's not.
that non-working leg was a
major issue in a lot of videos I saw.
So Andrew Sten says,
CrossFit needs to be clear,
needs clear set penalties, not a range.
The rule book says 15 to 40%.
I want to agree with this with an example.
Years ago,
the NFL had two different
face-masking penalties,
a 5-yard and a 15-yard,
and it was up to the
discretion of the referee.
It became so inconsistent,
they did away with that and
said it's only 15 yards now.
Right?
So pro sports recognize that
in the heat of the battle,
it's hard to judge one or the other.
let's just make it one and
make it consistent across
the board yeah yeah he's
not wrong there like I
that's where I'm saying
like it's be there while I
think there's degrees I i
do realize it's probably
impossible to implement but
when he says a no rep is a no rep
There's something to be said
for what we have watched in
this sport for years and
what we watch happen live.
And then what I watched like
Pat Belner get no rep for.
I, that personally, I don't,
I don't think that would
have been no rep at the games.
I've seen clear no reps from other.
I think he would get fixed one time.
It would be no rep.
And then he would fix it.
That that's the thing with
the in-person competition is,
And like props to Pat for
putting his whole video up
because Pat's one of the best movers,
we know that.
But when I looked at the video, I was like,
I do see what the judges see.
And I saw the soft knee,
I saw the hips not fully extended.
And this has nothing to do
against Pat's character and
stuff like that.
Like I've seen posts where
people feel like we think
that they're cheating and
stuff like that.
It has nothing to do with that.
Like we're moving fast.
People were on the wrong side of the line.
And then they go and post
one rep on their story or
one rep or two reps on their post.
And it's their best rep.
And it's like, show me your full video.
Right.
Show me your full video.
Then I'll see.
But like most of the videos I've seen,
I have seen the penalty and I'm like,
I do see what the team has judged.
Do I think the penalty fits the crime?
That's where I think it's harsh, right?
Like I think most of them I
would have taken less reps away,
but I can't deny and say
that those reps were to the standards.
think for the ones that I've
seen I'm like yeah it's a
penalty like I wish I could
find it kelly stone at some
point posted the email she
got after her appeal was denied
And if you read the email,
that email says her sixth rep was good.
And which one did she post?
You can hear the judge saying six, seven,
like those.
That's the rep that the
games team literally says was good.
And I wanted to post and I'm like,
what I wanted to point out
is what you just said in the email.
They said,
this is not a judge on your character.
This is just we evaluated the reps,
made a decision based on the rep itself.
We know you worked hard.
We know you did all this stuff.
I have been critical of
CrossFit in their
communications a lot in the
last four years on this show.
Kudos to whoever wrote that email.
It was very well written,
explained it in detail what was good.
If you want to reference
what a good rep is, go to Rep 6.
If you want to – the rest
we've held in question,
and we're upholding your 165.
Yeah.
Yeah,
it's just like the amount that it
would drop people.
I was like – like my heart
feels for someone like Paige.
I don't know if she has had any –
communication on her appeal
or whatever but like
there's no way that she's
that far down on the
leaderboard right like it's
just I think some of the
penalties I wish I wish it
wasn't a percentage and it
was just like this rep is
bad so we're gonna take
that rep that like versus
A percentage.
I don't know how,
cause it's like what half a
second to open up your hips.
Like, I don't know if you could say like,
let's say one second, a bad rep,
look at the time it takes
for people to do reps.
And I don't know if that would even work.
I don't know how that would work,
but it seems like the reps
penalty is kind of absurd.
I agree.
That's, that's where my struggle comes in.
I, I,
In going through this,
I tried to list what are
the issues that CrossFit is
facing with quarterfinals at this point?
Money and time, probably most importantly.
They started this now.
They just brought in a ton
of extra cash by doing this.
A lot of people's comments have been,
They shouldn't let 25 percent in.
We got to go back to 10 or
even 5 percent need to be in.
We know that's probably not
even going to be a
resolution that they're
even going to look at
because they just got this
influx of cash.
And so I think that
monetarily is a big thing
we need to somehow
brainstorm around and time small team.
Right.
They don't have the time to
review that many videos.
I would say I would argue
the third thing is probably like control.
we are,
this goes back to what Andrew was
saying with transparency.
We're very aware that like,
it almost seems they want
to be secretive so that
they can make the decisions
that they want to make to
like get the results that they want to.
And I, and I could be completely wrong,
but why people get so
frustrated is the lack of transparency.
And there's just not enough
communication on.
So I like for 0.1 and one
specifically monetarily, I feel like
I feel like what they need to do,
go ahead and allow the 25% in out of,
out of the open.
And it's like,
maybe we set it to $25 to
compete and it's to compete,
to get on a leaderboard.
And it would be everyone
that signs up would be on
that leaderboard.
Now, do you want to video?
Cause I know there's a lot
of people who don't want to
want that hassle.
Do you want a video and do
you want a real reviewed
shot at making it to either
masters or indie?
Okay.
That one's going to be like 60 bucks.
Maybe we find us a difference.
Okay.
So if you're on this leaderboard,
It's only the people who are
going to submit videos.
You cannot submit a score
without a video in there.
And they will all go pop.
public at the close of the
score submissions that
leaderboard is a video
leaderboard that will be
public to everybody at the
end everyone else is on the
other one same with those
people so that everyone
that just participated
could possibly see well
shoot I was like only 20
spots out like maybe next
year I should sign up for
the other one um it can't
be two separate
leaderboards there needs to
be the the one but I feel
like that way the
These hundreds of people who
don't even have a video,
that page is now below,
wouldn't be on this.
She wouldn't even be up
against those people in this situation.
She would only be up against,
and it could be 400 people.
And again,
that's why it needs to go public.
And they're a small team.
So point two, small team,
make another influx of cash
because nobody's going to
sign up for the judge's
course next year because it
was completely pointless.
Right.
you make that leaderboard
judgeable online by anyone
who's done the judges
course and enough get flagged,
then it gets the deep review.
And so you've made more
money on a little bit
higher costs for signup.
You've made more money on
the judges review.
Like there's,
there's ways that they can be
a little more transparent
and get a little bit more
professionalism out of this sport,
but they need to like
relinquish a little bit of control.
I agree.
I love the idea.
Yeah.
I don't think having two
separate leaderboards will
ever happen in the minds of CrossFit.
I understand why, and I like your idea.
I'm just telling you,
without a significant
administrative change,
I don't see that happening.
Well, so...
who just posted, somebody just posted,
Andrew posted,
if you don't submit a video with your,
like he's saying,
just if you don't submit a video period,
you are removed from the leaderboard.
I have seen comments all over about that,
about people saying, I don't want,
I don't want to do that.
I don't want to submit a leaderboard.
I don't want to submit a video.
I don't want to deal with
the hassle of it.
I just want to pay, see where I fall and,
and,
The second you make videos a requirement,
for one,
they're going to be garbage
videos unless you're
actually reviewing them all.
They're going to be a clip
of somebody cooking dinner
for five minutes.
And you're going to lose
people that don't want that
hassle signing up.
So you've just lost money
because you've said this is
the requirement.
It makes it more professional,
but it makes it less inclusive.
That's the thing, right?
And it's finding that
balance in CrossFit between
the professional side of
the sport and the participation side.
Because like you said,
some people won't put their
videos and they're like, no,
I won't sign up now because
I don't want to get torn to pieces by X,
Y, and Z. But even in the open,
you had people that have
their videos and they never
get looked at anyways.
So I don't know if it fully fixes,
but at least at the top of
the leaderboard, it would.
And I think people would
move better knowing that
their video is public.
A hundred percent.
Whether or not I'm going to
be posting this,
people are going to see what I move like.
I better move well.
Yep.
So early in my gosh,
we have a lot ton of people on tonight,
which is awesome,
but the comments are coming in so fast.
Um, there was a comment earlier.
Do you think this is a one
year issue or do you think
this is going to continue
year after year?
Do you think this is the warning in my,
I'm going to put it in my words.
Do you think this was the warning shot?
We're going to put the
hammer down this year and
then everybody's videos are
going to be much better going forward.
I thought they had a good warning,
like the one year where
they had the pistols and like,
that was a warning too.
And then people went back to
moving like they normally
do when no one's watching.
Um, I don't know.
I just think people have to
be a little bit more careful of, you know,
watching their video over looking,
you know,
having someone else look it over.
Does this meet the standard
and do I have to redo it too?
And just taking a little bit
more personal
accountability for the
movement standards.
Hopefully it cleans it up, though.
I'm hoping.
But they definitely had
harsh penalties this year.
It's just nerve-wracking to even wait.
Even though you know you move well,
you're just waiting on the email.
Oh, for sure.
Yeah.
I feel like there's a...
line where it's almost like,
do I just move ridiculously fast,
ridiculously shitty and
take a 20% penalty?
And, and like, that's the thing.
Tia's score was so high that
she's only an eighth and it
doesn't even matter.
Um, so like at some point, so in like his,
Hiller brought this up,
like he was there and he
slowed bill down and did he
do him a disservice?
Cause he got a double hit.
I feel like that is a real
struggle in my mind.
I struggle with it with Jim.
Cause I am,
I know how everyone in that
bracket moves.
And again, until things are transparent,
you aren't going to get a
sweeping change.
So just to clarify,
Andrew Hiller told Bill
Leahy to slow down his reps
and redo them because he
was afraid he would take a hit.
Analyzing it after the fact,
he feels like if he would
have went faster taking the hit,
he would have been in a
better place today than he
was after Andrew told him to slow down.
Yep.
And so I ask you, you know,
Andrew said that workout itself is,
And I think this is bigger
than just make it a step over.
But he said when you're
taking a Ferrari and it has
a hard curve in it,
it's very hard to hit that
movement at the curve.
A lot of people are going to crash.
And when you're trying to move fast,
get up and down on that box,
that you take that curve in
a way that's a little bit dangerous.
And that's where the extension is.
I'm not a high-level athlete.
I don't understand Ferrari and NASCAR.
So I ask you,
is that a real perception for
you as an elite athlete?
Well, what's the saying?
Slow is smooth, smooth is fast?
I don't think the box
step-up is the same thing as an air squat,
for instance,
on how fast someone can move.
finish their like hip extension.
I still think the fact that
you have double the weights, yes,
it drags your shoulders a
little bit forward.
But again,
if you finish your hip extension,
I don't think it's as much
as the Ferrari as other
movements that we can see,
like the pistol that's very fast,
where are you putting your
foot down before you're finishing?
I think that there that it's
still a movement that
that can stay online,
like in an online competition.
Like when we think about a
movement that you don't
want to see online,
like an air squat would be
pretty fast for some people.
Right.
Yeah.
I think it's a very doable standard.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like I was still able to get
24 reps and I'm not very
tall and I shot my hips forward.
And when you said that at
the beginning of the show,
it made me think that as an elite athlete,
and you have athleticism,
you know what you have to
adjust to go as fast as you
can and stay within the law.
A NASCAR driver knows that
this bend coming up,
how fast he can take it and
still remain in his line.
Yeah.
The thing,
the thing that's tough is the
slowing down of the videos, right?
When you're online,
it's like the video review
versus the live in person
that that's the difficult part.
The fact that you can slow it down,
zoom in, slow it down, zoom in.
At what point do we allow
just natural eye and like
judgment to be called?
Um,
I absolutely don't think
there should be slowdowns.
The thing that's difficult
is in-person competitions,
we can never use a video to
justify a rep.
And it's like, we can have it on video.
We can slow it down.
That's another issue, too.
I mean,
it would take forever for the
appeals for an online competition.
But yeah,
that's the thing that's hard
about online is the fact
that you can zoom in,
slow down to whatever speed.
Sarah,
Carolyn did not receive any penalties,
and all four workouts are validated.
Just to catch you up.
Get those videos posted, girl.
Let's see what a good rep is.
Show us the standard.
I will.
People need to know.
D. Reed asked if it was hips, knees,
head position.
Yeah, hips and knees is what I've heard.
I've heard the head position,
but I have yet to see an
actual athlete post an
email that said it was
purely your head position.
I think maybe it was commented on,
but I think even in the
people that the head position was noted,
it was soft knees was the
major reasoning behind it.
So I feel like the head and hip extension.
If you didn't finish your hips,
your shoulders are in front,
your head can still look down.
You finish your hips.
Yeah.
your shoulders automatically go back.
Look back at the Hiller
video on the deadlift,
just finishing your hips.
Like your chest goes up.
Like you can still look down
at your feet on the, on the box,
but your rep is finished,
but it's a soft knee.
It was the tap kind of like
the treating it like a
pistol where you finished
the one hip and the other
hip is the other foot was tapping.
And that was the difference.
People were treating it like
a pistol instead.
So let me ask you this.
Of all the videos that have made it public,
did you see one that was
the head only that was not extended?
Nope.
Nope.
Not a one.
Like I saw that.
Then I've looked at like Pat's.
I've looked at Madaris's.
I've looked at other people's.
None of them had the issue with the head.
It was a soft knee.
It was the non-working leg.
Those were the issues.
Or they were still bent over.
They did not stand upright.
Um, and they, in all honesty,
everyone that I've seen was
a blatant no rep.
Yep.
Yeah.
Or people post their one or
two good reps to their
stories or Instagram.
And it's like, okay,
if you're that confident
about your movements,
show me your full round.
Show me one full minute of your movements.
And we'll see if all of them
look like that.
Because that's the thing is
most of them don't have
their whole video looking bad.
It's just there's a
significant amount of reps.
I just want to know.
I would just like to see how
many significant and what is the penalty.
Like does the penalty make sense?
Was it the whole workout
that your hips were like that?
Because like Pat had some
good reps as well.
And then he had some bad reps.
So it's like, that's the thing.
If you posted it, we could,
maybe we'd be in your favor.
Maybe we'd be like, you know what?
I watched it in real time
and I counted 14 bad ones.
I would give you a 14 rep penalty,
not a 36 rep penalty.
Yeah.
When I was watching Pat,
it was the one leg that
seemed to be more no rep than the other.
So I think he had a stronger
leg and a weaker leg and it, you know,
like we all do probably.
Yeah.
Um, so there's all the,
there's so much going on in the comments.
Um, our, our,
my friend Dex is in the comments.
Um, he wants to go back in time.
I'm not necessarily, I don't,
I am not a big proponent of
going back in time.
I know.
I think we need to learn
from this and like move forward.
Lana says,
would floor plans with camera
location have helped?
I do think in a way they,
they do maybe need to re-release the,
like,
Purely for everyone having
basically the same angle, right?
And someone else not being like, oh,
that was a terrible angle.
That's why I got dinged.
I mean,
if it's pretty standard what we're
looking at,
then at least we're all on the
same page there.
Yeah,
like a lot of people had their step
ups towards the back, right?
And I had this dilemma of like,
where do I put my camera in this video?
Because I want the camera to
see the screen.
So like after every round,
I had the camera move to
the screen in my rest period.
But I was like,
I want the camera to see the screen,
but I also want them to see my step up.
So if I have the camera behind me,
I can't step up.
same way that I'm facing for
the row so I had to take an
extra little bit to turn
around for my first set of
step ups and I was like oh
this is gonna be slower
transitions but like then I
gave them exactly that side
angle that they probably
want to see the hip
extension for yeah just for
a laugh some of these
people never did zumba and it shows
Okay, so I like Jamie's solution.
I do believe that this is a – I'm hoping.
I'm very hopeful that this
is a one-year thing.
This is, hey, this is our warning shot.
You need to make your –
because I think that what
could have solved all of
this is CrossFit coming out and saying,
for quarterfinals,
we're not joking around.
The standard will be the standard.
We need to clean up our online game.
We are going to rule to the
letter of the law.
Make sure your videos are clean.
Good luck.
Let's go.
Yeah,
like with a smaller field for some of
these competitive regions,
we're going to be, you know,
putting the hammer down to
make sure that the 40
athletes moving on are
adhering to the standards.
That's it.
Are they though?
I mean,
I've seen a lot of other video
videos that are of other workouts.
They aren't even touching
that are clearly not
meeting the standards.
Yeah.
I don't think they looked at
three and four very much
because like both of those
were like accepted very fast,
like within 20 minutes or
30 minutes of each other.
like last night.
So I don't, I don't know.
Is other sports do that,
even though they have a rule book,
the NFL will come out and say,
we are going to make a
point of emphasis to look at this, this,
and this, this year.
And those things,
the penalties go up at the
beginning of the year until
it becomes a little more corrected.
And then as the year goes on,
it gets better.
Right.
I agree.
I agree with, with PC here that like,
You shouldn't have to do that.
But if you're going to be
completely different in your calls,
I think maybe just a warning of like, hey,
we're going to be putting
the hammer down.
And Wad Zombie says,
based on CrossFit's online
judging history,
they should have to state
it because this is the
first time they've ever
followed the standards 100%.
I think whatever they told
these online review team to watch for,
they should have released a
statement before we started quarters.
That's what you do.
You get the briefing at
semis and the games, right?
Those judges are told what
to watch and it's briefed
to the athletes.
Don't do this.
Like, hey, we're focused on this.
For one,
a statement maybe should have gone
out to the AFJ.
Maybe the AFJ needs to
partner better with
CrossFit to get that said to them.
And once they knew,
maybe they could have put out...
And again,
it probably goes back to control
and communication and transparency,
but maybe if we put our trust in the AFJ,
and the AFJ looked at the workouts,
then got a briefing from CrossFit,
and then put a public
statement out to all athletes...
Is that an unfair advantage, though,
for the people that have
access to those AFJ?
Sure.
I don't know that they
should be like certified
and those videos should
just be put through because
they had those judges.
I don't know if I agree with that.
That's a that's a haves and haves not.
And only the ones with the
money and are getting
through because they've, you know,
put themselves in a
position to get money.
But it still comes down to
you know you're not online
or you know you're not in person.
In person,
you know you'll get a no rep and
you can adjust it.
So when you're moving online
and you're submitting a video,
it goes back to review your
video and make sure, well, one,
it's playable.
And two, like your movements are good.
And if you don't feel comfortable,
if you keep slowing down a
certain rep or two and you
have an uneasy feeling about your video,
you should probably redo it.
And like, that's what I did.
I was like,
I don't like this one that much.
I feel, I feel bad submitting this.
We're going to redo it.
Lex says, simple.
Watch your videos before you submit.
Very true.
Have someone else look at
your video before you submit.
I know athletes would have that happen.
Yeah.
Um, so,
So that's that.
I don't think we're going to
solve anything today.
But we spent 40 minutes on that.
So let's talk a little bit
about Crash Crescendo.
It was a cool event where
some of the top teams in
the sport traveled to Spartansburg,
South Carolina, competed this weekend.
Mayhem Independence ended up winning that.
that competition.
And that is the team that
qualified for semis out of
mayhem with Angelo DiCicco.
Sure.
Sam, Zoe, and Molly.
Yep.
All of them.
Yeah.
Gridhouse came in second.
Let's see what happened.
Came in third.
CrossFit reignited fourth.
And Ocean State came in fifth.
Huge, huge shout out to my girl,
Christine Best,
who on the final flip sled
injured her knee.
I couldn't see if it was a
knee or an ankle.
It was a knee.
I talked to her this evening.
She twisted her knee on the one flip sled.
She doesn't know what she's
actually done yet,
but she is able to walk on
it at this point.
And she's hoping that when
the swelling goes down, it'll be okay.
But now it's just getting
home and then trying to
figure out what's up with it.
And then her teammate who
had to do all the remaining flip sleds.
I know.
I mean,
if you had to pick a teammate that
was strong to finish that sled –
I'm pretty sure.
Christine Middleton, is it?
Yeah,
Christine or Kristen Middleton is the
athlete that you want to
just flip the sled for the entire week.
Because if that's your weaker athlete,
then you're screwed.
But yeah,
she was impressive that she just
carried on.
She knew what happened and just like,
all right, I got this.
Don't worry.
I felt bad when she finished
and collapsed to the floor
and there was nobody from
her team available to like
congratulate her because
they're all worried about
Christine's knee.
But she was, she was, she,
she was well congratulated
by other teams when she finished.
But that was, that was just,
that was pretty impressive.
That was impressive thing to watch.
It was.
Brian did get teared up.
That was kind of sad to watch.
They had some good events.
JR puts on great comps,
always has unique elements.
I saw the rope on the dumbbells,
and I was like, that's cool.
He's just always thinking outside the box.
This is a great tune-up
competition for most of
these teams are competing in
what, just over a month now,
about a month for the East,
if they're on the East side.
Like if they were doing a
regular training weekend at this point,
like I don't think it's
like that much of like risk of an injury.
I think it's far enough away
from their competition and
it's great experience on a team to see.
know where you are and how
you work together on these
workouts um hands on odd
objects worms all those
kinds of things that you're
going to see at semifinals
jr always does a great job
and I don't know if you saw
carolyn but he announced
you as the first games
athlete signed up for um
crash individual
competition in the off
season yeah I'm excited
I, I, well,
I watched it last year and I
had FOMO and I was like, next year,
I was like,
I think this would be a good one in,
in my off season.
Cause I didn't do any of the
off season comps this year.
And I was like, looking at that one,
I was like, this is the type of comp that,
Oh, actually I did the NorCal classic.
I'm lying.
But I was like, this is the type of.
competition that I think
would be good experience on
some unique elements and
some high skill stuff that
he programs um so yeah he
reached out to me and I was
in pedro too or peter I
should say from coffee pods
and wands um made it happen
so I'm super excited yeah
patrick clark says you'd
you pretty much did rogue
too it's true in the
shadows of the warehouse yep
Oh, Jamie, Jamie did Crescendo or not.
Is that right?
Crucible.
Crucible.
I get a mixed up.
You did Crucible last year
and it was crazy.
Like you,
you had been on things that you
had never been on in your
CrossFit career.
Yeah.
He's got, he's got, I mean,
he's got a lot of equipment there.
So he's got a lot of
available items to use
things that I don't have.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That was Lex's text to me.
How much stuff does J.R.
have at his gym today?
She's like, he has everything.
And I was like, yep.
I feel like the money that
he makes on comps is just
poured right back into the gym.
It's not like pocketed.
I feel like what other comps would do.
I feel like he's really
giving back to making sure
his gym has everything needed.
What's nice too is he has
the two kinds of gym floors, the turf,
the regular floor,
and then depending on the event,
you flip it back and forth,
makes a completely different event.
So that's pretty cool.
So we wanted to finish up
with something fun because
it's been a stressful week
for a lot of people.
And that is, um,
It's draft week.
NFL just had a big draft.
We are going to draft our super teams.
And the way I presented it
to these two is if you're
starting a CrossFit super team,
who would you start your
franchise with in these
specialist categories?
One male, one female in each category.
So the categories are going
to be power output, gymnastics, endurance,
Olympic lifting, upper body pulling,
odd objects, and leadership.
Dex is looking for a shout out here.
Yeah, Dex the water boy.
So we're going to start with power output.
And I'll switch it up each time.
But this time we'll start with Jamie.
Male or female right now?
Uh, both we'll do both each time.
Okay.
So my power output,
I will take Dale and pepper.
And so this doesn't sound
like a great pick,
but I have a reason when
you see my whole team,
I'm going to pick Emma
Lawson for my power output.
Why Emma Lawson?
Well,
you gotta wait till I've given you
all my people.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
My power output is going to be Roman.
Although I was going back
and forth between Hopper as
well and Roman and Dallin.
And for the females,
I'm going to pick Olivia Kerstetter.
Okay.
I think she can move machines.
She can move some big weights.
My power output is Dallin
Pepper and Laura Horvat.
Laura's still young.
People forget.
Um, and start in two of the youngest,
most powerful athletes in the sport.
Start there.
Kenneth, the lab says Sam dancer,
Alex Kazan.
Are we talking about power output?
Like on machines?
I didn't take it fully that way, but yeah,
machines I'll take curse there.
And this is to start your franchise,
right?
Horvath.
I'm switching to Horvath.
I thought Tim Paulson,
but I wouldn't want to
start a franchise with him.
He's at the end of his career.
I'd want someone that I have for 10 years,
right?
So that's why I went that way.
Patrick Clark went Gabby and
Freyova on the women's side.
I almost went Gabby too.
I only used each name once on my team.
There.
Then we go to gymnastics.
Are we talking pressing
gymnastics or pulling gymnastics?
Nobody jumped in our note page.
Males, I'm going to pick Victor Hoffer.
That's a great one.
And woman,
I would in general pick Emma Lawson.
I want Gazan in terms of
pulling if I could.
And in terms of handstand gymnastics,
it would be Daniel Brandon.
But overall,
I'm going to pick Emma Lawson
and Victor Hoffer.
I pick the exact same.
Nerds.
I pick Pat Vellner and Alexis Raptus.
Nice picks.
Nice picks.
I like it.
Kenneth DeLapp picks Vellner and Lowen.
Also great picks.
Very good.
Dee Reed picks Taylor Self and Raptus.
Very good as well.
There is an upper body pulling category,
guys.
Is Carolyn allowed to draft herself?
Yes.
I don't think I'm a
specialist in any of these.
Wad Zombie picked Colton for
every category.
One man team.
All right.
So then we go to endurance.
And I'll go first.
I have Yonikoski and Emily Rolfe.
And both of them kind of
break my mold of I want
them around for a while,
but they're just both so damn good.
Am I next?
I pick Brent Fikowski and Emily Rolfe.
I'm going to pick Yellow Hosta.
And...
I was deciding between
Christy O'Connell or Holta.
I'll pick Christy.
Bringing them out of retirement?
Yeah.
I think Christy just ran an
ultra marathon.
That girl's freaking – I
mean Christy is probably
the same age as Rolf.
Rolf is 34.
Kenneth is going to go BKG
and bring back Sam Briggs.
So I have Sam Briggs.
Sam Briggs is who I originally wrote down.
You will notice at the end
of my list why Sam Briggs
is not on my list.
Patrick Clark said Adler and Sahir Kaya.
Wad Zombie just wants Emily
Rolfe as the face of the franchise.
Great picks.
All right.
So then we go to Olympic lifting.
Okay.
And we're back to Jamie.
Okay.
I have Jack Farlow and Amanda Barnhart.
I'll take Guy,
and I'll take Laura Horvath here.
So I had Laura here.
Actually, I picked Laura, right,
for output?
No, you picked Kerstetter.
Okay, I'll take Kerstetter.
Okay, I'll pick Horvath here.
Which is funny.
I had Laura here.
I crossed her off, put Kerstetter here.
Good pick.
And then I went Jack Farlow.
Patrick Clark goes Tola and Middleton.
Middleton, yeah.
Sarah Cooper, Jack, and Laura.
Hannah Black, Matt Fraser.
I also thought about Hannah Black on this.
For endurance, Dee Reed says Holberg,
Lucas Holberg, and Christy.
So I think, yeah.
Judy Reed says,
didn't Tia go to the
Olympics for lifting?
Yes.
Sorry.
She's due to retire soon.
Wad Zombie Frazier doesn't
even like CrossFit anymore.
So then we go to upper body pooling.
And that is Carolyn to start.
Kazan Vellner.
I'm winning this draft.
I'm sorry.
I'm winning.
No, no, no, no.
I'm winning this draft.
No, no, no, no.
Look at the quarterfinals
and work out three.
And I'm going Alex Kazan and
Saxon Panczyk.
Saxon's a good one.
You can't pick Kazan.
I picked Kazan.
What are you doing?
We're repeating all over the place.
Yeah.
I wrote my list this morning.
We can match.
We can have the same ones.
We can because we're doing it a weird way.
Okay.
But Saxon Pinchot, don't sleep on him.
Look at his time in workout
three compared to the world.
Agreed.
That is a good pick.
I pick Taylor Self and Alex Kazan.
Yeah, I think Alex is undisputed.
Well, Emma Tall crushed that alpaca.
Yep, she did.
We have Leahy and Kazan.
We have Cody Anderson and Kazan.
Hmm.
Someone just says this draft is wild.
Hey, we're just trying to have fun.
Yeah.
Someone threw in Kelsey Keel for Oli.
Very good.
Very good pick.
Yeah.
If she wouldn't have been
penalized this week,
I would have went with her.
Damn.
She's back in now.
Is she?
Yeah, she is.
Did she get an appeal or what?
She still has some reps off,
but I think she's around
the 20-something spot.
She came back in.
Okay.
Wow.
See,
so I would like to hear some of these
appeals, too,
and look at what people are getting back.
All right.
Kenneth says Jedediah Snelson.
Wonderful.
That's great.
The guy can pull, that's for sure.
Yes.
Yes.
Um, so then we go to odd out.
We're in the last two categories,
odd object.
And it's, is it me or?
I think it's you.
Yeah.
So I, I, okay, here we go.
Sydney McElishan and Nick Matthew.
Oh, am I next?
I have Nick Matthew and Danny Spiegel.
I'm going Brent.
Brent.
Females odd object.
Hmm.
I don't even know.
I can't believe we haven't
named Tia at all.
She's just good overall at everything.
If I'm starting a franchise,
she's at the end of her career.
I didn't look at it that way.
That's how I looked at it.
Yeah, that's fair.
It's my team.
Yeah.
I feel like you need a, I'll pick,
I'll pick Spiegel here.
You need someone that's athletic.
Spiegel's athletic.
Okay.
You looked at me funny with Sydney.
I just,
I'm trying to think of an odd
object workout that she
actually went back to the
games leaderboards and
looked at odd objects.
She does very, very well.
She's an amazing puller.
I contemplated her for pulling,
but I'm trying to think of
an odd object workout.
What, which one are you thinking of?
So different sandbag
workouts at the games.
She's done well in all of those.
Interesting.
That's just not the name I
would have thought of.
I actually did do some research.
I pulled up games
leaderboards and looked at
who did well and what different things.
Yeah, I did too.
So we finish up with maybe
the most interesting one,
the person you're going to
bring on just for
leadership to lead this team to victory.
Jamie, go.
Rich Froning and I'm picking
Carolyn Lambre.
She's not even an athlete.
Oh, so I was going to ask you that.
Does it need to be somebody
who's going to compete or
is it purely my leadership?
Well,
I think it's someone that you're
going to put it.
It's a player coach.
Then I pick Carolyn.
Okay.
I'm between two for females.
I'm between Sam Briggs and Carrie Pierce.
I'm going to pick... I'm
going to pick Sam Briggs.
And then for the men, I mean...
got any people that I
haven't picked right so I
can't pick pat or um or
brent what do I have left
hmm let me pass right now
let me think about it go
scott go to I had carolyn
on my list but I went with ariel owen
She was my other one.
If I was really picking athlete, athlete.
Because a lot of the
athletes I've talked to
over the years say how she
treats them like their mom at the games.
I will go with Noah from the chat.
I forgot about Noah.
That's who mine is.
I came back in before you, Scott.
Came back in.
Dang it.
I had Noah written down.
I have a rundown, too.
I crossed them out and put Rich.
Yeah, pick Dylan.
Ariel and Dylan are my leadership people.
There you go.
I think that'd be, well, I don't know.
I don't have Brent on my list,
so that'd be a good place for him, too.
I think Pat would be a great leader.
And I don't have Pat on my list yet,
either.
So I'll go with Vellner.
I think you've got to post
all three lists on your
social media and let the
fans also pick their.
All right.
If you send me your handwritten list,
like take a picture of it or something,
I'll post them all.
And then you guys can vote on which one,
which list was the best.
I just think it's crazy.
T is not on their list or Matt and we have,
and those are the two.
Yeah, Matt's not even competitive.
I don't have a single non
North American athlete.
They're all American or Canadian.
So that doesn't mean I listen,
I wanted people that I
wanted to compete with and
I felt like would be fun to work with.
And so it's all people I can
understand how they talk
and feel like good personalities.
So mine are just all in the North America.
So Patrick Clark says
Chandler would be a good one.
Went to a leadership school.
Yeah.
Maybe one of the best
leadership schools out there.
And he's a good dude.
And he had like Andrea Nistler as leader.
I don't know how she has as a leader,
but yeah, she's a heck of an athlete.
Do you retry?
I, whoops.
I tried to nominate Matt for leadership.
One T. One T. Yeah.
So that was fun.
And the chat pointed out
that I forgot sprint.
I forgot overall athlete.
So there's room to do some
more of this in the future.
We'll make up all new
categories and we can do it again.
I was going to do coach,
but I didn't want to put
you guys into a weird position.
As one of you has a coach
that they actually work with.
Yeah.
Tia for overall athlete.
We have a pretty good one
right here on the set.
That'd be interesting too.
There's a difference between
athlete and fitness though.
There's a huge difference
between being an athlete and being fit.
Like we talked about this
back when Rogue was going on.
The athletes showed
themselves in that over,
that bracketed sprint,
like Paige Semenza and
Danny Spiegel and Jason Hopper.
Like they have a different
athleticism than just straight fitness.
And it showed a lot at Rogue.
Easy, easy as a,
as long as he's on dry land,
he's an athlete.
That's what Corey called it.
That's what the teammates are for.
They put them in the water.
Yeah.
So this was fun.
We started off serious with
some penalties.
It is supposed to be finalized tomorrow.
Tomorrow.
Does it say what time?
Do we think they're going to
meet the deadline?
I don't know.
If they really, I mean,
they just asked for three
and four videos.
And I don't know if that was
just to like verify the
videos are in there or
they're going to actually
review them and they might
want another couple of days.
Who knows?
Yeah.
I don't think they really
looked much at three and four.
It was just probably looking
at the measurements.
They glanced a few work,
a few movements and like, okay,
that's good enough.
Nothing stuck out.
Like, but there's still, I mean,
I haven't heard from like
all of the appeals and stuff like that.
Like I'd like to see at the end,
obviously the next few days.
All of the penalties and
still like Freya too with
her video too waiting to
see what happens with that one as well.
I saw Caitlin got hers in.
So she's back in.
Caitlin Van Zyl and Freya,
their scores were missing
from workout two.
Caitlin's is now back,
and she's back in semifinals.
But a little behind the curtains,
I started scheduling our
semifinal interviews,
which was a very bad move
before these penalties
because two of the three
people I scheduled, I had to cancel.
Were you just like, you didn't make it?
Yeah, we're canceling this.
So before the appeal came back,
this was my honest feeling as well.
I don't want you coming on
the air with a pending appeal.
Like,
I don't want that to affect what's
going on with CrossFit.
So let's postpone, see where this goes,
and then we'll make a
decision from there.
So I have stopped scheduling
until this leaderboard becomes final.
I do have Gabby Spence
scheduled on Thursday.
She has not moved this
entire time and I'm praying
that that happens.
So at least have one on the
books going forward.
So did you read, I think PC just said,
did you see Rose Scott's Instagram post?
I, I didn't see their Instagram posts,
but I did see that she was,
her videos were removed or
she didn't have.
It says,
so the email they sent her says
you did not submit a working video.
You sent in a video from
2023 and then she goes on
to show it and it's says
it's clearly uploaded for 21.
Oh, it's crazy.
But then you can see that
like she uploaded videos in
the last like six hours that were.
Oh, did she?
So maybe she replaced it.
Maybe.
I don't know.
I don't want to spend.
Yeah.
But I'll stop talking.
I don't know.
I don't know enough.
We talked about this with
Tristan on Thursday.
Patrick Clark said,
when's the next CrossFit
press conference?
Remember when we had those?
We actually talked about that.
Because Tristan was like,
wouldn't it be nice if
there were press conferences?
I'm like, there used to be.
Up until Justin Berg was let go.
And think what you will about Justin Berg.
At least we had a press
conference to ask questions.
Even if they skirted the answer,
we got a chance to at least
address that with them.
Since he's left,
we have not had but
in-person semifinals and
games press conferences.
Has it been replaced with
Dave's weekend review?
That's what I was kind of wondering.
But that's not a press conference.
That is a global chat.
Yeah.
Andrew,
did they remove the male from the
female 40 to 44?
They did.
I think two days ago.
Just down 12 spots.
Was someone signed up for him?
Completely wiped.
If you type in his name,
every single score is a zero.
He's like completely wiped.
Okay.
Okay.
That person.
Yeah.
I got, I got it mixed up.
Oscars.
I don't know.
Aaron knew Aaron kept
watching for him on the leaderboard.
He was wondering if, yeah.
Like a dude signed up for the women's.
He had, he had a score last year.
He had a picture of himself.
He made it through the open.
He did all the quarterfinal workouts.
Yeah.
But yes, he's removed.
Well,
hopefully the Freya thing gets sorted
and the Roe Scott one gets sorted too.
With whatever's going on.
Well, with that,
one final thank you for Thickboy for...
sponsoring the show.
Um,
he'll be with us for a couple of months.
And again,
Clydesdale merchandise will be
coming soon, uh,
to the thick boy website.
Uh, they're getting the screens ready now.
Um,
and we're having t-shirts and tanks on
the first run.
It's going to be the new horse logo.
Uh, the,
they will come in the colors are blue,
purple, and, uh, gray.
Okay.
so you can use code jamie20
for 20 off oh there you go
put that in there and we
love thick boy because that
boy with it all right so
with that we will catch
everybody next time on
thursday night crossfit
talk.
Actually, it'll be on Thursday.
All right.
It's everybody later.
Bye guys.
And the video.